Visitors to this blog may be aware that I’m returning to a topic already covered in two previous posts, Quacking for Jesus and Revelation TV & Felicity Corbin Wheeler. The reason for this is that the Reverend Doctor has featured prominently in the station’s schedule over the past week. (Anyone interested in reading some background information about Revelation TV should take a look at Gordon’s Blog). She has been given carte blanche to peddle her particular brand of quackery. Viewers have been treated to an eclectic mix of pseudoscience, woo, misinformation, and dangerous nonsense. Over a period of several days Corbin Wheeler has broadcast a roll call of some of the most notorious quacks in the business and a pot pourri of the most ludicrous and potentially dangerous treatments around all, apparently, based on sound Biblical teaching. I shan’t dwell too much on the validity of the Biblical teaching – I struggle with the idea that a Bronze Age book has anything to tell us about science and medicine.
Woo
This is not an exhaustive list but the Reverend Doctor mentioned juicing, acid/alkaline balance, colloidal silver, thermography, aspartame, live blood analysis, ionic footbaths, dehydration, mucoid plaques, colonic irrigation, vaccinations, mercury fillings, chem trails, raw food diet, living enzymes, Fukushima and Gerson therapy.
Quacks
Phillip Day (appearing soon on Revelation TV apparently, read more about him here), Charlotte Gerson, Leigh Erin Connealy, Brian Clement, Stanislaw Burzynski, Gary Tunsky, George Malkmus, Gabriel Cousens and Lorraine Day.
I could write a blog post about each of those named but if you need more information Google is your friend. Hint: it helps if you append the word ‘quack’ after the name, e.g Gary Tunsky quack. That way you avoid finding a long list of ‘alternative’ medicine sites which will destroy countless brain cells. Instead, I will take a closer look at two of those mentioned.
Stanislaw Burzynski
Burzynski is a controversial doctor based in Houston, Texas. He has developed a cancer treatment using what he calls antineoplastons for which he charges thousands of dollars. Patients are enrolled in ‘trials’ for which they have to pay and despite running trials for thirty years, he has yet to publish any data to validate his treatment. Whilst often touted as a natural treatment, what he administers appears to be his own, rather crude, version of chemotherapy. The Respectful Insolence blog has an excellent summary of the issues and I have previously blogged about him myself. Josephine Jones has an extensive resource of links on her blog. It seems very odd that Felicity Corbin Wheeler, who is at pains to promote ‘natural’ treatments, should promote someone who uses chemotherapy.
Lorraine Day
Lorraine Day has a very interesting history. God showed her how to cure her cancer and she developed and promotes The Ten Steps to Fight Cancer. It’s the usual nonsense of raw diets and boosting the immune system but there is more to Dr Day than her fondness of woo. A visit to her website reveals other aspects of her approach. She can tell us ‘The Truth About Politics, Religion & Health’. Here there are links to ‘The Holocaust Hoax Videos’, ‘How a Hundred Jews Control Millions of Americans’, ‘Jews Run Hollywood and the Media’, and many more. I’m not linking to her odious site. Felicity Corbin Wheeler is endorsing a raving anti-Semite and holocaust denier on Revelation TV. Revelation TV don’t appear to have a problem with that.
Felicity Corbin Wheeler is a crank magnet. A combination of naivety, ignorance and stupidity has produced someone who is in a position to influence the confused and vulnerable. On one of her shows she advised a viewer who suffered from rheumatoid arthritis to stop taking her medication, methotrexate, because it is carcinogenic. Instead, she should consult a naturopath. Revelation TV has given her the platform to spread her ignorance and ignorance can be dangerous.
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Hi Nucella
As someone who has seen first hand how doctors [ like my own in particular ] are ignorant in nutrition and how Good nutritionists are; is what is leading me to a career in one profession and not the other, i feel you are the uneducated one.
As someone who is in their final year of a clinical nutrition degree course, you cannot tell me that chronic long term “big pharma” drug use is more agreeable to the human organism than using the intrinsic vitamin and mineral properties of food. You may decry “THAT BRONZE AGE BOOK” but lets at least observe the wisdom of Hypocrates who not only Provided the medical profession with its “FIRST DO NO HARM” rule of thumb, but also observed “LET FOOD BE THY MEDICINE AND MEDICINE BE THY FOOD”. Are you willing to conceed that he was right on both accounts or are you infering that the great man of antiquity was himself was somehow decieved.
All you have done is denigrade people without any evidence to the contrary, infering that their results are having less success than NHS quackery.
Isnt it funny how our cells and hormones are governed by vitamins and minerals Water Fats Carbs and Proteins, and we have survived for millenia without Big Pharma and the Medical profession untill the last 200 years. Indeed, you may be able to explain how we got to the 19th century without Big Pharma in the first place ?
Also you have to realise that untill very recent times Herbs and food was the original medicinal approach to disease. Not only that but remember that the drug industry is the “Alternative” theraputic Approach.
The new God “Big Pharma”, can not claim to have extended life one iota from recorded life spans going back before the Roman age, it was Better living conditions better hygeine and better farming methods that raised life expectancy not the NHS or the drug industry.
Could you tell me if food or drugs were responsible for curing Scurvy,
If you wish to reply you may.
You commit the logical fallacy of argumentum ad antiquitatem. Hippocrates lived over two thousand years ago and science and medicine have moved on since then.At the time his work was ground breaking but we longer attribute illness to humoralism.To say that drugs and the NHS have not increased both quality of life and life expectancy is demonstrably false. Vaccines alone have saved millions of lives.
Vitamin C, a drug found in some foods, can be used to treat scurvy.
Hi Firstly you are talking to someone at your own level. Not some lay person. secondly, You failed to acknowledge the Superior effect of better sanitation, living conditions, and the availability of better foods through modern agricultural innovations in the longevity of westen civilisations over the limiting effects of toxic drugs. You also dont address those cultures who without a spanking NHS system are outstripping the life expectancy of the industrialised nations while not burdened down by the metabolic diseases we suffer with. thirdly, regarding Vaccinations, Lets not forget that they do untold damage to the nervous system especially in young Babies who in the first few months after birth do not have a functioing Blood brain barrier in place to prevent Neurotoxins like mercury,aluminum, and other adjuvants crossing unchallenged into brain tissue. Also, lets not forget Gwilam Berrie Syndrome, etc etc. I would like to know why you place Big Pharma as having a greater influence in western longevity levels then the three factors i have outlined that preceeded the Medical “alternative” approach? Yours Will kirby Clinical Nutritionist
Where are those cultures which don’t have a health system yet have higher life expectancy than the UK?
Your knowledge of the efficacy of vaccinations is woeful. (Do you mean Guilain-Barre Syndrome?) This link will show you how vaccinations have made a difference: http://www.behance.net/leon_farrant/frame/2878481.
I am acquainted with FCW; we are polite when our paths cross, but not friendly. When we first met she tried to indoctrinate me then lost interest when I put up barriers and didn’t bother to read the books she gave me. My husband took an instant, instinctive dislike to her; my dislike kicked in a little later as I found her weirdly interesting at first. My husband is a retired pharmacist and as such has probably improved the health of many, many people by means of good and caring healthcare and medication advice. We both believe in a good, wholesome diet but we use conventional, orthodox medicine on the whole. The risk is that people would bypass this route and try her quackery, which has little chance of success. She practices pseudo-science. Dangerous.
She doesn’t eat her raw food diet all the time, by the way, she often eats in restaurants and drinks wine. She is fit and healthy and plays golf daily. She is looking more like Joan Rivers all the time, if you get my drift…..
In her defence, I must tell you that despite your comments about her promotion of a ‘raving anti-semite’ (I have not seen the channel and do not wish to) FCW is not anti-Semitic in the least. She wears a tallit (Jewish prayer shawl normally only worn by men) in her ministry and was delighted when I saw and commented on a framed photo of her wearing it. Like many fundamental Christians has a belief that the Jews should return to Israel; many of the books on her shelves are about Israel. Her dislike of me and my husband is because she couldn’t brainwash us; not because we’re Jewish.
Thank you for your comment Sarah.I did not mean to suggest that Felicity Corbin-Wheeler was anti-semitic. I was trying to illustrate how superficial her knowledge of science and medicine is. She references a great many quacks without any understanding of what they are promoting. Lorraine Day’s site is awful and her views are repulsive. Anyone can establish that by spending five minutes on Google. Corbin-Wheeler claims to have done years of ‘research’ yet seems unaware of this.The fact that she latches onto the quackery but is oblivious to the anti-semitism shows how ill-informed she is.
Nucella
Talk about Medical Quackery !!!
My doctor thinks a staple diet is a stomach operation carried out on the NHS !!!!
Oh well what can you expect when doctors ar’nt trained in nutrition
Hi Sarah
your somewhat balanced views are noted, which is more than i can say of the bias viewpoint of Nucella herself, have had the odd spat with her, as she will admitt.
I am not a pharmacist, but i am studying clinical nutrition as well as being a health tutor delivering courses on the “self management of long term health conditions” for one of the health boards in the uk. However, my point is this. I am a raw food eater and have been for at least 4 years since giving up the standard british diet of chips, fish fingers and most cooked foods. Given that most of our foods are grown in sub-nutrient soils high in toxic chemical soups and then cooked destroying what little nutrients remain, has only reinforced my determination to continue eating raw for all the obvious reasons, Infact i would claim that eating, as i do, all the super foods, nuts, seeds,etc with fruits, avocardo, peppers, garlic, tomatoes, and dark green leafy foods etc etc affords me a better level of Vit C, essential and phyto nutrient uptake than cooked food eaters. Food is the basis of life and all our metabolic dieases stem mainly from deficiencies of Hydration, nutrition, overload of toxicity leading to autoimmune disorders. The basis of Optimal health lays in a strong Immune system, and not in Chronic Pharmacutical drug dependancy which is going to cause more problems than it claims to cure.
I am not a “Freak” but I have studied the large amount of Iatrogenic deaths caused by correctly prescribed and taken pharmacuitical drug issued by the medical profession and the way drug companies biase their drug trials so that the “True” drug trials are only established once drugs go viral in the population as a whole.
Hyocrates, said “let food be thy medicine, and medicine be thy food”.
We must either acknowledge that if food is good enough to keep us alive, and therefore, it is also good enough to fix us when we are ill. or we only need to pop pills. How on earth do the drug companies and medical industry think mankind managed to get to the 19th century without an “Orthodox” medical system.
Since man first walked the earth the “Orthodox” approach to a healthy and long life has been our reliance on the food mother nature has supplied in abundance, thats why dogs eat grass and dont go to the doctor when they are ill. Even your Pharmacist husband who eats food to keep himself alive must acknowledge that if he went on a hunger strike of water and food no drug could ever save his life.
All our NCD’s [non comunicable diseases] are lifestyle diseases treatable through eating whole foods as nature intended, and along with special attention to Colonics, and Probiotics to assist the digestive tract to deal with malabsorption and intestinal / gut issues we can greatly reduce these metabolic diseases which afflict first world populations.
Nigella is short sighted and she allows her hatred of religion to get in the way of a “Good Story”.
Yes, read what Phillip Day, Lorainne Day, FCW, Andrew Saul, Dr Mercola and many other researchers are saying, all I can say is “I did” and i am glad i listened to them.
Feel free to reply
Oh dear. Yet another Gish Gallop of evidence free assertions. Your personal anecdote doesn’t count (n=1).
yes, nucella just as you usually do, you reply with a total lack of evidence based rebuttals only incomprehensable rubbish !!!
If I had already lost a daughter to cancer and then got it myself, I would certainly research and try anything, rather than immediately go down the drug path, especially if there were testimonies of people experiencing a better quality of life, and some even getting better.. Felicity is a living example that this regime can work – her diagnosis was dire and look at her now.. What else got her better if not the method she used. The Gerson Therapy is renowned for helping many people with all sorts of illnesses. They need complete focus and commitment and if someone has a success story, why the cynicism and vitriol. It’s normal to want to share it with others. Drugs nearly killed me in my thirties, now at 73 and after going down the alternative route, I am still alive and kicking, having had a dire prognosis all those years ago. My doctor said her stuff was creating dangerous side effects and to continue what I was doing because it was working. I know what I would rather try if I should get the big C. We all have choice and Revelation is doing a great job trying to enlighten and help its viewers. If people don’t want it that’s up to them. Of course most orthodox doctors have never studied anything alternative and can have a very blinkered view, missing out on powerful remedies with no side effects, and perhaps denying their patients a safer option, as in my own case.
Thank you for your comment Heather. “The Gerson Therapy is renowned for helping many people with all sorts of illnesses.” Really? What evidence is there to support that statement? Do you know something that Cancer Research UK doesn’t know? http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/cancer-help/about-cancer/treatment/complementary-alternative/therapies/gerson-therapy
My main objection to the likes of Felicity Corbin-Wheeler is that they make money by offering false hope to vulnerable people. Such people deserve nothing but condemnation.
unless felicity has got a deal struck with tesco for cut price supplies of fruit and veg, i doubt she will get rich quick, not like the drug companies for whom living an average of 5 years after a 3% success rate of chemo treatment is viewed a triumph.
Ofcourse, nucella you never criticise the billions made by Big Pharma.
Corbin Wheeler sells courses peddling her particular brand of woo for prices ranging from £150 – £250. If that’s outside your budget you can always choose a telephone consultation – a snip at £50 for fifteen minutes. They look like nice earners to me.
“… not like the drug companies for whom living an average of 5 years after a 3% success rate of chemo treatment is viewed a triumph” Once again you fail to provide a source for an outrageous assertion. My guess is that it’s a copy and paste job from a quack website. Was it Mercola, NaturalNews or whale-to? If you’re interested in a more reliable source of information, follow the link: http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2011/09/16/two-percent-gambit-chemotherapy/
No Nutella
To your dubious attack against my 3% Chemo success rate remark.
My info was taken directly from the BMA Guidlines to Drugs and Medicines, Yes
Straight out of the Horses Mouth.
You are the One who peddles lies. not me. And anyway does information from a third partly prove a statistic false. If so the same could be said of your third party sources.
infact, I use a lot of sources including the highly esteemed PUBMED.
To claim that chemotherapy has a 3% success rate shows either woeful misinformation or wilful ignorance on your part. Educate yourself by reading this post by an oncologist.
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2011/09/16/two-percent-gambit-chemotherapy/
I have totally agree about the extortionate charges FCB has, Rev TV say she does so much for free,ie broadcasts, answers E Mails, but she does charge as stated above and £25 for E Books, her practices really really does get free advertising in return on Rev TV, they have been pulled over the coals over Dr Grinsteads practices,a former Quack who peddaled his methods free initially then charged extorionate money,Rev have been wrong on many instances and it has to be questioned why the leaders arnt following this fail all falacy, surely if they belive in it they should follow it it to the letter.
Leslie Conder, Lorna Pettit and Breda have al lembarked on slimming diets, they are not using Feliclitys loose weight book at £25 per time, very strange, it would surley be the best way as they promote and give air time to her ways, all very hypocritical Ithink.
I follow a wholefood diet,eat and drink healithly so not agianst all of this and through my love of Jesus I would share this free of charge to anyone it could help,or at least only taek vital expenses,not charge £25 per time for an E Book or £50 for a telephone conversation, would Jesus have done this, no his advise was free I sent a polite E mail to the show today asking why Jordan Reuben the makers diet differed from her,he also says God showed him the way to health and cured him of several lillnesses, his diet in my mind lines up much more with Gods word than hers , I also asked if she was born again, I cant help but feel that Sye her co priducer was selective in not reading mine out, does anyone know if she is born again.
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Felicity Corbin Wheeler preys on the vulnerable and scared and strongly advises people like my elderly father not to have a life saving operation to rid him of his cancer when he had the chance.
There is nothing wrong with healthy living, eating or juicing fruit and veg but it needs to be in the right quantities and balanced with the input from a proper dietician who knows what they are talking about.
Advising people to take sodium bicarbonate daily and enemas without knowing a person’s medical history is just plain dangerous. Not only does she promote and push her costly courses (conveniently located in Spain outside certain laws) books and DVDs she also promotes certain websites of which she is a trustee on the board who has a stake in said businesses.
Thank you Nucella for taking the trouble to publish the information that you know about this woman and other con women/men like her.
Thanks for your comments Carly. I agree with all you say.
As a Clinical Nutritionist and also a chronic disease Tutor and diabetes risk assessor I will make the following observations.
Firstly No Nutritionist should promote any therapy before having a case history before them. I will also state that Standard Cancer treatments by the NHS and other healthcare systems are nothing to be proud of and with Chemo only having a 3% success rate of treating blood cancers and an even worse rate with tissue cancers.
The fact that there are many successfull albeit anacdotal claims for Nutritional treatments having cured cancer suggests that Nutritional therapies out perform Chemo.
The fact that so called dodgy nutritional advice is risking lives is nothing when considering the Iatrogenic deaths at the hands of the medical profession which puts death by doctors as the third leading course of human mortality.
Given that the U.S. Government has given Big Pharma impunity and the Vaccine courts have paid out milloins in compensation gives no one confidence in the medical model especially as the 1939 healthcare act prohibits nutritional therapies as under licence the Uk NHS can only prescribe Cut and Burn, Chemo and radiation treatments.
The reason why I favour Nutritional therapies over Drugs is they are less toxic, they also are capable of repair where Drugs don’t, and if we realise that the reason you get a headache is NOT because your body is short of pain killers but because you might be Dehydrated or experiencing low blood sugar levels then we might reflect on the fact that if we know food keeps us alive, then we should realise its good enough to fix us when we are ill.
Regards
Will
Exactly. Did you know, that the more tablets the doctor’s prescribe, the more incentives they get from drugs companies? So it is in the interests of the doctor’s to keep on prescribing meds until people are drugged to their eyeballs…and if the patients don’t get better, the prescription is changed and more pills pushed onto the patient… and drug company bosses get huge profits and bonuses, they are laughing all the way to the bank…and doctor’s too get incentives for prescribing the drugs for them.
The failings of drug companies don’t validate the psuedoscientific claims of quacks like Felicity Corbin Wheeler.
Well you never addressed one of my points in my last email. You obviously cannot defend your corner, so you stay silent.
The failings of Big Pharma also don’t validate a National Horror Service {NHS} from its liability for Quack Policies like the Sociopaths who dream’t up the liiverpool care pathway, Do not Revive and other demonic policies that excited Non but that NHS managers and accountants. Not forgetting all those doctors and nurses who willingly carried out its evil designs. Do us all a favour and change the record, leave FCW alone and go after Quack NHS woo WOOO as you say. Afterall, they Kill far more that she ever will.
Hi Nikki,
i find Nutella so infuriating at times [all the time].infact. It’s great to hear other’s here speaking out on BIG PHARMA and the Mafia-like way they operate. Nutella bangs on about the prices FCW charges, well ho my God, what ever must we think then of a medical system which won’t fund cancer treatments because BIG PHARMA sells the drugs at prices the NHS can’t afford, How evil is that !!! Maybe Nutella can answer that. She seems only too happy to come to their aid every time they get criticised.
Perhaps you should read Bad Pharma by Ben Goldacre and find out about the All Trials Campaign. Both are highly critical of the Pharmaceutical Industry.
Have you noticed that she has dropped the “Dr” title on her appearances on Revelation TV. Now I wonder why?
I hadn’t spotted that.
It would seem that she is broadening her remit if this tweet is anything to go by.
Felicity Wheeler @FelicityCW · Apr 11
Breathlessness? Asthma, Emphysema, COPD? I just made a program addressing these concerns on Revelation TV… http://fb.me/3w6m8iU5
I caught a bit of ‘Get well, stay well’ last week and she was talking about the importance of oxygen and how she used oxygen drops. I’d guess it’ll be a development of that particular form of woo.
She has dropped the “Dr” title on her twitter account as well, I have asked for an explanation in a tweet, don’t expect I’ll get a reply. She is an odious woman, but on Revelation TV, she is in good company
like most people who are derogatory towards FCW i feel compelled to ask you.
Are you just being a little bit biased. Are you just following the crowd and acting out of a herd instinct and mentality. Are your claims that she is an “odious woman” based on clinical trials and double blind trials ? Or perhaps, based on anacdotal evidence. You know the type of evidence that Nucella on this Blog site calls “unscientific” reason.
There is a saying that goes: “As a man thinks, so He is” Then the question for you to answer is this: Are Your thoughts more a reflection of your own Being, Is it You that is the “Odious” one.
How pathetic of you, to make such a judgement of Being. I hope other’s think the same. You are probably an atheist which means you believe all life started a pond scum and became the beautiful specimin you are today. So why do you seek so eagerly the return to the pond scum from which you evolved from. Just goes to show you deny the very faith of evolution by your actions. At least FCW i believe would not wish to stoop to such low standards as you set for yourself.
And you are probably a Christian who believes in talking snakes, virgins having babies and people rising from the dead. This woman lives the high life in Spain by charging exorbitant fees for dishing out quackery. As they say, she quacks for jesus. Do you have an explanation for her dropping the Dr title?
I will tell you about what you can not comprehend, if you can tell me how the complexity of the human organism came to be whilst operating under the Law of Irreducable complexity therory.!! Can you explain the process that brought the sub atomic – pre BIG BANG particles into existance ? Where did these come from and what evolutionary process did these follow into existance ? If I leave you lost for words, it is only to show you the stupidity of your feeble mind and how utterly foolish your BELIEF in Evolution.
You just don’t have the intellect to even begin to understand i’m afraid to tell you.
Infact The DNA double helex of Crick and Watson was the nail in Darwins Coffin and Yours
So that’s a No then.
What !! No, You Can’t explain, Well I won’t be loosing any sleep over you.
So why not just crawl back into that prebiotic pool of slime your ancestors came from.
You won’t be too much of a loss to Humanity, because I doubt if you actually met its criteria anyway.
The one minute, FCW is a “reverend doctor,” the next minute, she isn’t. Will is too busy with his anger and personal abuse of me to explain that.
Righteous anger my friend, righteous ANGER !!!!!!
God Bless You
Anger in caps lock and six exclamation marks, but still no answer to my perfectly reasonable question.
There’s a nerve. You wan’t me to prove the veracity of the Hebrew and Christian theology to you, when you can’t even prove to me how or where the particles that pre-existed the Big Bang came into being ?
You prove to me that from the principal scientific belief that, in the beginning there was Nothing, [a Vacuum] out of which evolved everything. And Using Chaos theory, and Ocams razor show me By replication experimentation and observation How the laws of nature can prove such causation for all that is.
Not even Richard Dawkins can answer that, so little chance you. your is a belief system too, but inferior to mine.
The point is you are a Nucella supporter yet you can not even use the scientific argumentation she likes to use when defending the way medical science operates, when defending your evolutionary theory.
Your Woo of evolutionary theory is harder to accept because what we observe in nature shows Design, and organised Complexity, we now know that it is not matter that brings forth information, but as Nucella knows from her training as a nutritionist – if she really is one – it is information that gives birth to matter. Our cells originate from information, and DNA is an information digital chemical code, but the DNA code was not brought about by an explosion in a firework factory, but by pre-existing information that determined its chemical sequeces.
THerefore, If information, preceeds matter what causation do you ascribe for its existence ?
You try to be intellectual, but you fail so marvellously.
At no point did I ask you to prove the veracity of Hebrew and Christian Theology, you clearly have not understood my very straightforward question which was about FCW’s use, then non use, of the Dr title. I have asked her directly by e-mail, she too has not answered the question, and I don’t expect you will either. The last line in your post incidentally is a classic example of reaction formation. I tend not to debate with creationists, it’s boring, time consuming and serves only to demonstrate how ill informed and closed minded they are. I think we are done, unless you feel the urge to continue with personal insults which serve only to weaken your case and make you look foolish, and to which you will not garner a response from me.
Goodness me, this started out as a post re FCW, who does charge extortionate prices to help people, as a Christian and saying she works for God does she really need to charge so much, I tried wheatgrass and it seemed to upset me , she wanted £50 for an E Mail consulation to give me advise. She stated to me by E Mail that she worth that price, she gets free advertising by giving out her ideas on REV TV. Why has this ended up as a slanging match about creation, if people chose to disbelieve Gods word that’s up to them but they dont need to be so personal and abusive to other people on here. FCB also didnt answer my E Mail that was uncomfortable for her to read on some true facts, she isn’t a Dr of medicine anyway at all, she is running a business with REV TV as a real advantage and their discernment is dreadful they never answer you either just make threats, switch her off like I have is my opinion, if she wants to make such profit to fulfil her lifestyle out of people let her, she will answer to God and be judge one day.
Hello, Sheila,
I see you have been reading the emails between myself and Mr Scully.
I am glad to know that your gut reaction and moral reason leads you to the conclusions you do. Namely, that two people who know nothing of the other can descend into throwing insults and remarks which bare no real reflection in reality. But your innate disgust, i agree with, and yet it was Mr Scully who was first to denigrade FCW by calling her an “odious woman” Is’nt that as bad as all the insults we have traded between us?
I agree with your email in that regard. Howevr, FCW is not a charity, We all have to live by making a profit. No doubt you too, can only take home a wage because the company you work for makes a profit for goods and services sold to its customers.
Recently, in one of the national newspapers front page headlined declared “GPs to charge £ for appointments” My local health board already has cut supplying some drugs for free.
If you really want to criticise FCW, you should also do the same with GSC, Merk and drug companies that sell cancer drugs to the NHS at such high prices that thousands of cancer patients die without them as the NHS cannot afford then.
Look at the prices of Herbal life products etc and you will see everybody is making a shed full of money, not just One individual alone.
She may be a doctor of divinity, I don’t know. You may be inclined to call her health advice “Quackery” but our “orthodox” medicine model is really “Alternative” because for millenia the orthodox approach to health was Food and Herbs and the wisdom of shamen and the Wesdom and knowledge of the “Elders” in the community. How do you think man has survived up to 18oos without a multibillion pound drug and medical system.
Medical Quackery is seen everyday.
We have the Vaccine courts that give millions in compensation for injuries caused by drug company products .
We give Paracetamol for headaches – Do we get headaches because are brains are short of Paracetamol – No. So why do we take them. Medical quackery does not get to the root and cause of the problem, it only blocks and masks symptoms.
As a clinical Nutritionist, I know my methods are more successful most of the time. The proof is in the pudding.
The medical profession is great at trauma medicine, but useless at treating chronic metabolic disease.
So while there was method in my madness, I got the response regarding name calling that shows that Mr Scully was wrong to call FCW an “Odious woman” something he would not accept.
Thank you
I totally agree with what you have said, I avoid all Doctors an dru if possbl, never touch paracetamol , use natural supplements, but whilst we all make a wage, I dont incidently as I have long term agoraphobia, if she proffeses to work for God her charges are high and not in line with helping in Jesus name, people listen to her advise and try it and then have a problem and she wont answer any simple question without either making you pay for a consulation or attending her costly seminars, I asked her some questions by E Mail regards what she does and she totally ignored me, no excuse for rudeness on her part. Re Tv had a Dr Gristead wi his ideas for curing cancer he proffesed not to charge yet he did in the need and a lot of money, Rev TV are notorious at having littlf discernment on who they have on air
Hi Shella,
I can not Condone her actions, which i think are ingenuous to say the least. It may be she charges a high fee because of the law of “Supply and Demand” ie. the more you sell the cheaper the goods, she may not have too many clients.
But, maybe the problem lays in the Ethics of her practice?
A point in case would be Renie Caisse a canadian nurse who found a cure for cancer and cured people for next to nothing and died by all accounts a “poor” woman. She evan sold the formula to A pharmacuitical company for peanuts, and the product was never brought to light untill years later.
I think most therapists working in the complimentary field charge £20-40 per session. However, i think your angle is one of motive or vocation.
I understand your point. She is perhaphs between a rock and a hard place, but i think she is wrong not to answer emails and questions.
I would give advice, have given advice and continue giving free time, advice and supplements free if i think the client cannot afford them,
regards
will
You clearly care more for the people you help than financial gain, she charges £50 for an half an hour telephone consultations, she also asks for donations on her web site, what ever for I dont know, she isn’t a registered charity
You challenged me to prove the Virgin birth etc etc. I challenged your intellect to be able to comprehend what i would say, that is all. The rest of your response is just BLA BLA.
I am not some blind chrisian who cannot articulate either Hebrew/Christian theology or someone who cannot debate, not only the things i believe, but debate also evolution that which i don’t believe in.
You also need not respond. This has run its course, don’t you think.
Sheila
Last wed i gave a 1 hr talk on nutrition to the local W.I. and received £10 for out of pocket expenses. but i was able to meet people and challenge deep seated beliefs about food. But I also get challenged by the public who can ask any questions they like. thats what makes lives talks such fun, Nothing to do with the money..
Every client, i see has FREE access is to me on email as a standard service 24/7
Yes, I believe in a creator God, that is my choice, My Conscience follows from that, also my Ethics and morality and if so my caring Nature. But even atheists can display such attitudes, even more so i would hope someone like FCW.
Many thanks
Enjoyed our chat
Good on you for doing that, that shows real care, shame a lot more arn’t like you
Hi sheila
just a line to say that Nucella has commented and of this you may be aware. but i have replied to these comments made by Nucella on the link site on this page.
Its worth a read of my reply, since she has choosen to denigrade me so much.
read my comments and reply on that site and or this one if you feel either I or He is out of order, i believe nucella has not represented accurately my criticism of FCW or our respectful emails free of insults.
God Bless
Thanks for your comments. I have attempted to address the points raised here:
https://nucella.wordpress.com/2014/07/13/readers-comments/
“I have attempted to address the points raised here”: say’s nucella..
well you have made a pigs ear of doing that. My emails speak for themselves, i don’t need a false and inaccurate biographical account from you, of all people.
Nobody, needs to have your revisionist writings thrust down their throats.
For the Record.
Nothing is being thrust down anyone’s throat Will. Viewing my blog is entirely voluntary.
That’s right comment on something trivial, make a straw Man your main point and stay off the main point.
Don’t mention or appologise for not mentioning that sheila and I had a good exchange of views, forget to mention that i supported sheila’s views of FCW even though she is a christian too.
I will admit to one thing. You, have added to my knowledge, granted. The knowledge that people like you are indeed “odious” to use an expression you like, and the cap certainly fits !!
Obviously we are not going to agree on what is trivial and what isn’t but there isn’t a strawman in sight. You can add that to the ever growing list of things you don’t understand.
You don’t have that many people bothered enough to take your crap,on here right now, so don’t be supprised if one day you will be left talking to yourself on here, thats more than a real possability .
And You still can’t give me credit for criticising FCW .
You want to peddle your lies and the myth that a christian can criticise another christian.
Your Just Pathetic you really really are.
I enjoyed your temper tantrum. Is there anything else you want to cry about or are you done?
I am going to do what everyone should do on here and pull the plug on all your crap sick and ugly insults that your warped little humanoid brain can muster, No wonder Rev Tv don’t reply to you, you odious creature. most of the small number of posts here are years old so you obviously have a huge fan base, i don’t think. Well, i shall enjoy this last post because there won’t be anymore. I ‘m done with loser’s like you who can find no greater purpose for their life than devote their time moaning about christians. You really are a low life. I don’t spend my time doing that to atheists. There is nothing upbuilding and positive about you. Do you know what i will be so happy about when you read this, is the fact that others will read it and know your a first class jerk for all to see, while only a she male like you could have a name like Nutella.
Ayway, you can continue to be the odious little twerp you are, but you know it’s not even worth you replying to this because im out of here and you will never have the satisfaction of me reading your crap replies any more. So go into your bedroom and do what all lonely immature little boys do in private.
You are a has-been and i will never read the crap you sell on here again, so glad to be gone for good.
Yours Gone for good,
Ha ha ha hAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
How outrageous Rev TV dont answer any E Mails they are pig ignorant and dont behave in a Christian way at all, I think it a good job you arnt coming back on here, how personal can you get, shame on you
Oh dear, in respect of our fellow blogger, and further to my comments above, quod erat demonstrandum.
With regard to Howard Conder, it is a little sad to watch his mental disintegration being played out on Rev TV and on social media. Following the announcement by the Charities Commission that they have launched an investigation into the station’s financial activities, Mr Conder’s increasingly bizarre utterances border on clinical paranoia. He is now claiming that God has chosen him for a special purpose, and he is posting God’s word, under his name, on Facebook. The mental gymnastics he is having to perform to convince himself that he is beyond earthly criticism are clearly affecting him adversely. He has, by his own admission, had psychological problems in the past, is clearly a very over controlled, and very controlling individual, and is now struggling to keep to keep it all together.
His first reaction was outrage as if he believed that Rev TV should be above criticism because they are doing God’s work. Now he seems to be saying that it is proof positive that we’re living in the end times and is therefore a good thing.
Exactly, as I said, mental gymnastics.
I love FCB, am surprised at a lot of the nonsense on here about her. You can get all the information you need from her just by watching the show that she presents, and you don’t have to pay a penny to do that. Thanks to her, I have introduced a vast number of fruit and vegetables in to my diet. When it comes to foods or diseases, any information you receive, always cross reference to be sure of the facts, you don’t have to take someones word for it but with FCB I have found most of the things she has said to be true since discovering her a few months ago.
*FCW not FCB
Perhaps you could give me examples of the ‘nonsense on here’. One of the issues I have with Felicity Corbin Wheeler is that she makes claims without any supporting evidence. For example, as far as I’m aware there is no evidence that supports her claims that juicing is in any way better than eating a healthy diet. Perhaps you know something I don’t. If you do, please share it.
I am a follower or Felicity Corbin wheeler and the thing that Nucella forgets is that many people with cancer, like Felicity herself, have such advanced cancer that they are not even offered treatment and just told to go home & die. So for some this isn’t an alternative treatment, it is their only hope. And people are getting well. My friend was in this situation and given weeks to live, two years ago. So they know without doubt it is their diet that is getting them well,. So you can jump up & down & shout ‘quack quack’ as much as you like, but it is well known that a healthy lifestyle is really the best way to keep our immune systems functioning. Cancer is a failure of the immune system and what do they give you as treatment, chemotherapy & radiotherapy which will knock out what little immune system you have left and will eventually cause cancer.
You stick to your burgers and chocolate bars or whatever rubbish you eat, Nucella and I’ll stick to my fruit & vegetables.
Actually what I was reading here made me laugh that you can be so blind and stupid as to say that a living a healthy lifestyle to keep well is quackery. It’s funny really that you could be so thick.
Thank you for your comment Hilary. I shall attempt to respond to some of the points you raised.
I have pointed out many times that Felicity Corbin Wheeler has never supplied any evidence to support her claims that the dietary changes she advocates make any difference at all to cancer survival rates, and nor have you. Anecdotes are not evidence. I’m glad that your friend has regained her health but I could just as easily point out that Steve Jobs tried to cure his pancreatic cancer by ‘healthy eating’ and his refusal to accept medical treatment may well have cost him his life.
If you look at Cancer Research UK’s website you will see that cancer survival rates have doubled in the last forty years. This is a consequence of evidence based treatments including chemotherapy and radiotherapy.
You don’t need to take my word for it. I am, after all, blind, stupid and thick. Take some time to read this blog post written by an oncologist:
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2015/06/08/the-exaggeration-that-is-food-as-medicine/
I realise that great advances have been made in treating cancer, but the cancer survival rates are usually based on whether the patients are still alive 5 years later, which some are and are quite well and othersare but are still Sick. Another good friend recently passed away 6 years after diagnosis, but it was a horrendous 6 years for her and she was never well. My own mother was lucky and survived her cancer and continued to be clear of it til the end of her life, despite her GP diagnosing her with a hormonal problem when she developed bleeding after the menopause. She was given a contraceptive pill to take (at the age of 70) and told it would ‘clear things up!,,. I knew darn well she had uterine cancer as her mother had died from the disease & my mums symptoms were identical!
Regarding Felicity, her lifestyle would probably be impossible for most people to achieve, and I don’t agree with everything she says anyway, But I saw the health problems that my parents suffered from and want to improve my chances of living a healthy old age rather than being a shuffling old biddy on umpteen medications that all have lovely side effects.
I’ve learned a lot from Felicity and implement some of her recommendations in my life now. Not all, because as I said, it would be nigh impossible for ordinary folk on limited budgets to do. I’m in my 60’s and my blood, pressure, colesterol, sugar levels & BMI are all normal and I intend to keep it that way.
There seems to be some sort of unspoken ‘battle’ going between the NHS and natural therapies, because that is what we are talking about here. I actually think that the NHS is missing a trick & needs to embrace food based science and use it to support people who are really sick. I’m sure that most would agree that some of our modern treatments are wonderful but when people are ill with cancer their immune system needs to become supported through the correct nutrition, not like another’s friend daughter who was told to go ahead & eat what you fancy by her oncologist. I’m sorry I know so many people who are suffering with cancer at the moment.
I have to put my two penny worth in re Felicity wheeler on REV TV. I never ever watch the station at all now due to many issues, but I have to point out that Felicity gets free on air advertising for her business on REV TV funded by the viewers who pay for air time. Yet she charges an awful lot for consulations. she gives out some minimal advise but many people need further advise for which she charges. when I questioned on on her charges she stated that she had trained and was worth it.
So so many cannot afford the things she recommends then she runs the expensive times away to teach more.
I put things like this to her and she replied saying that howard and Leslie are perfectly happy with it all and that Phillip Day advertises his books on REV TV well that is no recommedation, Howards and Leslie are happy with an awful lot of things that are not of God.
Thank you for your comment Sheila. My feeling is that Felicity Corbin Wheeler is less than transparent when it comes to financial matters.
The cancer statistics I linked to are based on 10 year survival rates.
It would seem that you pick and choose which bits of Felicity Corbin Wheeler’s advice you choose to follow. I realise that there are time and financial constraints (especially financial) but on what basis do you choose? For axample, she repeatedly emphasises the importance of enemas which are completely useless and potentially dangerous. Do your follow her advice with regard to enemas? (I hope not.) I’m in my late sixties and according to all the indicators you listed, am in good health. I manage to play hockey each week and cycle 5000 miles each year and yet I don’t juice, squirt liquids into my rectum, take vitamin and mineral supplements or use frankincense oil. I eat what I consider to be a healthy diet (based on scientific evidence) not burgers and chocolate as you suggested. I have teeth and jaw muscles which function so I don’t need to convert my food into liquid form. I actively avoid organic food because it is over-priced, has no proven health benefits and is ecologically damaging. I’m not setting myself up as an example to be followed (unlike Felicity Corbin Wheeler) but simply pointing out that good information (plus some good luck and good genes) can produce good outcomes.
Felicity Corbin Wheeler relies on fear and exploits the vulnerable and gullible.
Your suggestion that the NHS should use ‘Natural Therapies’ is misguided. Who defines what is natural? There is nothing natural about juicing food or coffee enemas.
No, I don’t do the coffee enemas, but I would seriously consider it if I were suffering from cancer. A lot of the treatments she mentions are aimed at people who are really sick which I am not. And if they choose to pay her for a consultation that is up to them, nobody is forcing anyone to part with money. Felicity’s programmes are informative enough without needing to ring her up or go on a course.
As I said, I don’t agree with everything says. She doesn’t seem to eat until later in the day and survives on liquid & juices until at least lunch time, something most of us would find difficult and I don’t think there is enough emphasis on protein in the diet. Personally I don’t see anything wrong in eating some organic chicken or fish now and again. The programmes are repetitive as there is only so much you can say about healthy eating as she goes over the same things time & again. But I have given up dairy and had several health issues clear up as a result, so I shall stick with that one, and I know dairy is the cause because they come back when I have milk.
I’ve never heard her tell tell anyone to stop taking their medication, but she advises them to go back to their own doctor. [I don’t watch every programme].
I do take supplements as I was one of those who was always catching colds & infections which would take ages to clear up. Since taking the vitamins, pre Felicity anyway, my health has improved. In fact the only cold I had recently was a couple of years ago when I’d stopped taking the supplements for financial reasons. I now see them as a financial priority. I have an organic veg box and the difference in the produce is amazing. It not only looks more ‘alive’ but it tastes better, lasts longer & no waste. You are probably thinking of supermarket organic produce in your comment, which is little better than the ordinary. Personally I would rather eat something as fresh as possible not something that was picked 3 weeks ago and flown half way around the world to get to me and has been covered in pesticides,pumped with antibiotics (in the case of meat) or been irradiated or GMO’d. By the way there are warnings in the bible against GMO, See Leviticus 19:19. We don’t know the full consequences yet, but consequences there will be.
Regarding clinical trials and research into regimes like The Gerson Therapy for instance, you know jolly well that there has been very little research Done because all the funding goes into drugs and such like. Maybe they should use some of the money raised through their cake & coffe mornings to follow those who are using healthy methods to support them through their cancer, whether they are receiving chemo or not. Oh, but that would be a contradiction wouldn’t it?
I’ve nothing against the clinical methods for treating cancer, but I do think patients should be given much better nutritional information than they currently are, and it certainly helped my friend to know that she was actively doing something to help herself, but she was made to feel like a criminal which surely can’t be right. And take away those awful vending machines from hospitals dishing out chocolate bars and Coca Cola.
Personally, I would rather take steps now to reduce my chances of ever getting cancer as 3 of my grandparents died from the disease and my mother also contracted it. And I want to have a healthy old age, not like most of the oap’s around me who are struggling with one health condition or another, you only have to listen to the old ladies on the bus to hear all about the medications they and their husbands are on. No thank you, I don’t want to go there.
I tried wheat grass and got some awful stomach issues from it, I simply E Mailed her to see if it could be an allergic reaction and she said I would have to pay for a consultation with her, £50.00 for half an hour on the phone then she suggested the expensive course, all to get a simple answer. Of course no one has to pay her but she does promote her paid business on a charitable station. I think wheels within wheels when it comes to REV TV, Dr Grinstead also went on with a magic cure for cancer , was supposed to be free but then he started to charge people. In my opinion they promote other peoples business’s like they tries to promote Barbara Fernandos property company
People can be sensitive to any food ingredient & with you it sounds like wheat grass. I am sensitive to dairy, I found out only by stopping it for a while. My doctor had been unable to get to the root of my problem as It hadn’t clicked that it was dairy then, as it came on gradually: sinus & mucus in the throat, and recurring enlarged & painful throat glands. I know dairy can be responsible for asthma & eczma as well.
Personally I think our modern diet & lifestyle is responsible for many illnesses and I am grateful to Felicity for highlighting this & showing that there is another, healthier way and I’m sorry to hear that you think this is quackery. Since when has eating Healthily & exercising be regarded as bad for people? I know so many people who are struggling with cancer at the moment and as soon as one dies another friend is diagnosed. I can quite believe that the figures of 1 in 2 are now being diagnosed with cancer.
But it is a very serious illness and there are no guarantees with any treatment that there will be a cure, but I do sit up & take notice when people have got better after such a dreadful diagnosis, as Felicity has.
I take your point about her charging for consultations etc but as I said before, they don’t have to pay it. And if people stop taking their medication or refuse treatment, then that is up to them. Personally, if I had cancer I’d want as many options open to me as possible and I would certainly be wanting to support my immune system through my treatment.
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We are HEALED BY THE STRIPES OF JESUS, for a truly born again Christian to seek an alternative is to deny THE POWER OF THE BLOOD AS THE PERFECT ATONEMENT OF THE FREELY GIVEN LAMB OF GOD
One quibble. You refer to the Bible as “Bronze Age”. Not quite as bad as those who refer to it as written by Bronze Age goatherds, but lacking in appreciation both for this historically interesting and many-layered library of ancient texts, and for its textual critics.
It is, of course, Iron Age and written by scribes and scholars. There are direct references to iron implements, notably in Deuteronomy, Joshua, and Judges. Hobbes and Spinoza both concluded, from close reading of the texts, that the biblical histories were not assembled until after the Babylonian exile, and Spinoza proposed Ezra as author, with later revisions. Describing the Old Testament as “Ezra’s Fables” was among the heresies for which Thomas Aikenhead was hanged. If there are any older studies than Hobbes that came to such conclusions, I would be happy to learn of them.
As I understand it, present-day scholarship would spread out the writing between the Two Kingdoms period and as much as a couple of centuries after the return from Babylon, while minor textual editing continued into rabbinical times.
Thanks for that clarification Paul. I’ll be more careful in future.